Sandy Harjo Livingston interviews Deborah Zysman, Executive Director of Hawaiʻi Children's Action Network (HCAN), about the ongoing push to implement statewide paid family and medical leave.

Deborah shares that the goal is to create a safety net for workers who need time off without fear of losing their income. She emphasizes that the need for paid leave goes beyond maternity leave.

"It can be for the birth or adoption of a new baby, and that's for maternity or paternity leave. And then also, caregiving for a family member," she explains. "So your parents, your spouse--not just a new baby, but any kind of short-term caregiving, even time away from work for your own health reasons."

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